In Episode 197 we go live again on Facebook, and in this episode we are joined by Joel Bigham of BCUPS and Fermented Reality fame, and he joins the conversation while we talk about Lagunitas Brewing and do a tasting notes segment with their Unrefined Shugga barleywine style beer. We also dive into reviewing Dulcie, the organic unrefined sugar used in the beer. So grab a beer and enjoy the show!